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	<title>Comments on: Linguistic Determinism &#8211; &#8220;freedom&#8221; &amp; counting</title>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.aloveofwords.com/2009/09/08/linguistic-determinism-freedom-counting/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great episode of Dead Like Me (sometime in Season 1) where a character rips a soul out of a living body, then puts it back. The man (whose soul was returned) tries to describe the experience, but can&#039;t, so he makes up words for it. They sound ridiculous.

The reason there weren&#039;t words for the experience, however, is that the population didn&#039;t *need* words for it. It wasn&#039;t something they had to think about, so it wasn&#039;t spoken about. This is the main difference between newspeak and natural language. If there is something people need to talk about (or think about), words are generated. If someone tries to communicate a new concept poorly, they will do what they need to, and eventually natural language will expand to fit the concept.
This is how we get language change from &quot;gravity (heavy, weighty)&quot; to &quot;gravity (attraction between two masses)&quot; - the latter meaning wasn&#039;t quite the same, but it was a good start. That, plus formulae and further explanation created the language for a new concept.

If we couldn&#039;t think about things we didn&#039;t have words for, how would scientific progress occur? How would we write fantasy fiction or science fiction? Star Trek is the best evidence against linguistic determinism I can think of: tricorders and tachyons would both be impossible without thought about non-existent things. Someone had to think them up (and who hasn&#039;t wanted a handheld box that could tell you everything you needed to know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great episode of Dead Like Me (sometime in Season 1) where a character rips a soul out of a living body, then puts it back. The man (whose soul was returned) tries to describe the experience, but can&#8217;t, so he makes up words for it. They sound ridiculous.</p>
<p>The reason there weren&#8217;t words for the experience, however, is that the population didn&#8217;t *need* words for it. It wasn&#8217;t something they had to think about, so it wasn&#8217;t spoken about. This is the main difference between newspeak and natural language. If there is something people need to talk about (or think about), words are generated. If someone tries to communicate a new concept poorly, they will do what they need to, and eventually natural language will expand to fit the concept.<br />
This is how we get language change from &#8220;gravity (heavy, weighty)&#8221; to &#8220;gravity (attraction between two masses)&#8221; &#8211; the latter meaning wasn&#8217;t quite the same, but it was a good start. That, plus formulae and further explanation created the language for a new concept.</p>
<p>If we couldn&#8217;t think about things we didn&#8217;t have words for, how would scientific progress occur? How would we write fantasy fiction or science fiction? Star Trek is the best evidence against linguistic determinism I can think of: tricorders and tachyons would both be impossible without thought about non-existent things. Someone had to think them up (and who hasn&#8217;t wanted a handheld box that could tell you everything you needed to know).</p>
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		<title>By: Maeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I usually think in words, but there are definitely times when I think in pictures or sounds.  Usually I call that dreaming, but there are times when it&#039;s clearly thinking.  Words are thought short cuts once we&#039;ve learned them.  They boil down what would be a large thought picture into a shirt thought that takes a nanosecond.  What&#039;s weird is when I was actually studying German pretty thoroughly and I started to dream in German.  I hadn&#039;t started actively thinking yet, but it really blew my mind.  It just felt so different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I usually think in words, but there are definitely times when I think in pictures or sounds.  Usually I call that dreaming, but there are times when it&#8217;s clearly thinking.  Words are thought short cuts once we&#8217;ve learned them.  They boil down what would be a large thought picture into a shirt thought that takes a nanosecond.  What&#8217;s weird is when I was actually studying German pretty thoroughly and I started to dream in German.  I hadn&#8217;t started actively thinking yet, but it really blew my mind.  It just felt so different.</p>
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		<title>By: Japantown Eats &#124; Say Yes to Salad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japantown Eats &#124; Say Yes to Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about language &amp; thought at my other blog &#8211; if you&#8217;ve ever read 1984, you might enjoy [...]</description>
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